Episode 1: Monica's awakening and call to create Wand(HER)wild

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 Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome to the Wand(HER)wild podcast. Both Monica and I really believe that there is a reason why you've landed here and that you're tuning in today. We are so grateful that you are taking the time to listen and to be a part of our new adventure. So I hope you have a cup of something comfortable, a tea or a coffee maybe, and let's dive in.

Hi Monica, how's it going? Hi Carolyn, I am good. How are you doing today? I'm doing really good. Are you as excited as I am to hit record on this podcast? Oh my gosh, it's been so overdue. Like we've been  plotting secretly for months on this, right? I think we first connected and started the entire  vision and the idea for Wand(Her)Wild back in April. So it's been a couple of months now, it's hard to believe, and now it's finally coming to life. We're ready to share it with the world and so excited.  I honestly feel the same way. And even as you're saying it's been a couple of months,  I can't believe that.

So it's it's mid August here now and it's funny I'm laughing because I live in Canada, you live in Norway. It's 6 a. m. in the morning here for me. What time is it there for you?  It's like 12 30. Yeah, it's afternoon time here. So yeah, we're six hours apart all the time. Yeah, I feel like we're meeting up at the funniest times and just Yeah, it's just been funny.

We're on such different time zones, but yeah, we're like secretly plotting behind the scenes, how we can bring Wand(HER)wild together. And I just feel like so excited to just finally share the news with our community and tell everybody what we've been up to. Yeah. Same. So I thought that. Today would be fun, and before we get into more of the details of what Wand(HER)wild is going to look and feel like,  I just thought it would be really nice for listeners to get to know you, Monica, to hear a little bit more about your story, and really what led you to create Wanderwild in the first place. 

And I feel like I've told you this multiple times, but you are such an expander for me. So for those of you who don't know Monica, she founded Wanderwild Family Retreats in 2021 while she was on mat leave. She's also a mom of two littles under four, Mahira and Rakan.  You also, Monica, work full time in engineering and management for a Fortune 500 energy company.

You're super well traveled. You spent three summers in Kenya helping at a youth center for street children. Not to mention, I just feel like you are such a visionary  and yet, with all of this, you have such a humble heart. I'm just so excited to dive into your story. So can you tell us Monica, who were you like before you had children and before you had this call to create Wanderwild? 

Yeah, thank you so much for that introduction. Sometimes it's so hard to hear all these like like accolades about yourself but it feels good and Before I dive into that, I am just really excited to turn the tables on you for the next episode and really dive into what makes you so unique and special and why I was drawn to also connecting with you and extending the invitation to be a part of this, that we had to do this work together.

So I'm really looking forward to it. to the next episode to be in the interviewer seat. But yeah, for today yeah, what started me on the spiritual journey, like before, before the spiritual journey. And I think  I like to think of myself in two versions or two phases of life. And it's, Before kids Monica and after kids Monica.

And the before kids, Monica. Cause so much just changes. And we'll talk about that. I think during this conversation as things evolve with  moving from being a maiden into a mother, but for me and like where my roots started is that I'm actually, I live in Norway now, but I'm American.

I'm from New Jersey  and I grew up with a lot of families surrounding me. My family had a multi generational dairy farm and we, around the time I was born, the farm ended up not being active anymore and they split up the land between all of the family members. So I grew up so immersed in having extended family.

My grandfather and grandmother lived right next door. My aunts, my uncles, my cousins, literally we could walk to each other's houses. So Very much this like extended family type feel. And even my father's side of the family all lived right up the hill. So we were all like, like every weekend was like just huge family parties with all the cousins and  everybody getting together.

And we spent a lot of time outdoors, being a, coming from a farming family, like there and my father's side of the family are hunters. They're very much. In tune with  connecting with the food that you eat and it's where it's sourced from and that understanding of how we have a balance with the land and the animals and nourishing our bodies and having a respect for it.

And like all of that was how I was brought up. So I, that's like how my roots and foundation have been is a strong connection with  the earth, with nature, with being outdoors, with family, and with that connection to like our environment and our food sources. This place where your heart is really connected to the land, connected with family did that continue to be a big part of your life as you, moved into your, your twenties after school, that sort of thing? 

Yeah, I think it did. It did. And then of course, like. There are some like outside factors that, that play into like the way a lot of our stories end up evolving. And so for me, like I went to a big university, I went to Penn state university in central Pennsylvania and had to find my footing there for a while.

I ended up being a petroleum and natural gas engineering major, which has a strong connection to earth and mineral sciences. And also when you leave that career path. When you're leaving university, the career paths are very much based spending time with the earth, understanding the way that we  can use natural resources for energy on the planet.

So when you say it that way yeah, it is all connected. But why did I choose petroleum and natural gas engineering also had some outside influence of, I knew it was going to be. A lucrative career. I knew there was a strong hiring rate. So there of course was like strategy involved with that.

And outside influence to really make sure I was using my education in a way that was going to set me up for a good. At the time thought like good future, right? We all always envision a good future being so that was like how things evolved and then I was hired by A fortune 500 energy company like while I was still in university.

So and right away I wanted to travel So I said, I want to be international i'm american, but Send me wherever. I was very open to just being curious about the world and so they sent me to the Middle East was my first assignment was in Kuwait, and so I'm like 25  getting on a plane and moving to a country where it's a pretty strict Islamic country and there's no alcohol.

Alcohol is illegal. And. A lot of the women dress very conservatively and wear a hijab. And it was somewhere I'd never been. I've never been to the Middle East before. But I was so open to exploring this new culture and country. Like I found it really exciting to be like, wow, my career is taking me here.

And I get to like work and get paid and get to travel and explore this whole like side of the world that I never would have thought.  So it was really fascinating. And that's just how my whole trajectory of my career was going. I ended up traveling to 80 countries and living on four different continents in a lot of countries that you don't normally visit.

Like I lived in Angola for five years, which is pretty difficult country to live in. Like you. You learn to really appreciate a lot of things because the people there it's in West Africa and the people there really don't have a lot and they really just,  they get by with what they have and they just appreciate like connections and their time together and they never know how much time they have.

Clean water, like things that we really take for granted. You don't have electricity. Internet, like all of those things were like, you didn't know if you were going to wake up with it that morning, even me being in like a very privileged community there that was like a gated community and we didn't have those things a lot of the time.

It was a really interesting experience. I feel like I evolved a lot as a person just. Seeing all of these different cultures and countries that  are not like, the Instagram place to go and take a cool photo. Like these are the places that are real raw people and and just being open to understanding them better.

So that was really cool. That was my whole experience basically up until I had  children and. I ended up in Norway right before I became a mother. So that's how I ended up in Norway in 2018. And yeah, and I'm still here now. I was going to say just hearing a little bit more about this. Like I, you've obviously told me like, some of a little bit about your travel, but I just want to echo this.

I said this before. I really feel like you're such a down to earth like humble person when I hear your, your story and like everything you've done yeah, clearly your experiences in these different countries have, has like really just  shaped who you are and the person that you've become.

Yeah, if you guys don't know Monica personally, she is such a kind hearted loving soul and I just feel so grateful to be working alongside you. It's so super exciting for me.  But even as I'm just hearing about your working experience or you're talking about, you're traveling and, working for this Fortune 500 company, it sounds like,  Almost like this very like masculine world and it's it makes me laugh because where we are now And I don't mean like masculine like, it's only men although i'm sure there were a lot of men that you were working with but We're here in Wand(HER)wild and we're definitely like we're leaning into the feminine a lot, so I know I'm going off track, but like, how how did you go from, this kind of masculine world to then wanting to move towards The feminine, if that makes sense. 

Yes. Oh my gosh. It makes so much sense. And it is it's so funny. Cause our first couple of years of the retreats, it was and it still is for me. It's like when I put on my hat at work. For my full time job, it is so masculine and so male dominated, and most of the time, I am the only female in the room.

Like, when I worked in Kuwait, I was the only female in the field a lot of times when I was going to the oil rigs and working. I was the only one around it's just, and you have to, and this is something that I'm working on now, is just like  deconditioning what I thought I needed to be because when I'm taking on management roles in my corporate world, when I'm, the person on site that everybody looks up to when I'm managing multiple countries, like an huge hundreds of people, like you're taught that you need to be authoritative.

Like you need to be assertive. You need to be thinking from your head a lot and not your heart or your soul. And When I became a mother,  that's when my whole world just blew up. Because  I was  When you become a mother and you're growing a child inside of your womb space, and then the entire birthing experience is when you really start to  connect with your intuition for the first time.

Or that's what I experience so much, right? It's when you're birthing without Anyone from the outside really giving you advice, like you're listening to yourself. And then I started really connecting with that womb space  with that intuition that I held and feeling for the first time, like  there wasn't anything from the outside, like telling me how I needed to be, it was just me.

And it was such a feminine experience. That I didn't really ever get to do for many years. I was working for 10 years before I had kids. And it felt so powerful at the same time. And I think a lot of us are taught like, Oh, feminine is like weak or like vulnerable is bad. And so it changed like everything for me.

And even I started bringing it back to my corporate life, more of just,  it's okay to be humble. It's okay to be vulnerable. Like it makes people feel like.  You're cultivating a team atmosphere more like people feel like you're listening. People feel like they can have a voice and they're not afraid to speak up.

Like the way that you can actually like manage from a team setting in the feminine world is really special too. And something that's not.  Really honored in the energy industry. It's a little different right now and in a lot of corporate industries, right? It's so yeah, so that was like how  I started on the trajectory of my feminine And just being in the Wanderwild family retreat space, being in the Wanherwild space, and honoring so much that feminine connection, it's softened me, it's, and it's still something that I struggle with a lot I still go back sometimes to the other way, and then I have to be like, wait, what am I doing?

And it's just a fine balance of both. Of course, but what I'm hearing you say then as I'm just like taking this all in is that motherhood woke you up to this new way of being almost like that it expanded your consciousness in some sort of way so that you could see this new version of yourself or start to maybe Act, not act, but be someone who you haven't been before because maybe you've been conditioned by society to be more in the masculine.

Is that kind of what I'm hearing?  Yeah, definitely. And yeah, and like when I became a mother for the first time,  it was an opportunity for me to also just quiet all the noise because I was on a maternity leave and very appreciative for the fact that I get one year of maternity leave in Norway.

That's a right that every woman has here. And that was the first time since I was in grade school that I like wasn't pursuing an educational path, wasn't pursuing, climbing the corporate ladder was just purely with my child every day. And we spent so much time walking in nature, just with no phones, with no computer, there's no conference call, like none of that is there.

And, It's it's such an opportunity when you have that space  to also just really find yourself start to really ask yourself wait, what,  when you're not in the like monkey mind of all the clutter and like the overstimulation, just What do I actually want? How do I want to guide these, this child that I have in my life now?

What do I want our connection to be like? And just, you start really  connecting with your soul and your heart. A lot more than when you have all that noise around you or that busy way of living that most of us are doing. Yeah, absolutely. I can't, that resonates with me so much too. And it's how, maternity leave we'll get into more of this in my story, but that's how I led on my sort of creative path as well. But maybe you can like was so was maternity leave for you what inspired you to create Wanderwild Family Retreats. And was it during that time?  Yeah, it was during that time. So I had a pretty difficult birth experience and it was during COVID. So like  I was in a foreign country.

My family wasn't able to travel here. It was just my husband and I, he was only able to be in the hospital for the labor and then he had to leave and yeah, and I had a really difficult, long labor. With a lot of twists and turns and I was 10 centimeters pushing, but then I ended up in an emergency C section and I had done so much preparation to have this like natural birth and was hypnobirthing the whole time that I just felt.

And again, coming from the corporate world where you prepare for something, you have good things prepared in advance that,  you look at all the details and you analyze everything, usually you get the outcome that you want. And this was my first hit in motherhood where it was like, nuts, not how it's going to work.

Like I could prepare all I wanted for this birth, but it was not going to happen the way I wanted. Ended up in emergency C section and then my milk supply didn't come in. So my daughter's weight was dropping a lot and we had to stay in the hospital and my husband wasn't there. And, short story like short is just it was a really difficult isolating time and I just felt like  Such a failure really for the first time in my life and was like,  why is no one talking about how hard motherhood is  like all these birthing classes and Instagram photos and books that you're reading?

Like everyone's just talking about like your baby sleeping all the time and snuggling and everyone's with these cute little rooms of their nursery and i'm like what the heck nobody prepared me for  all of the feelings that you're gonna have like I felt frustrated. I just I felt like I didn't know what I was doing Like there was just so many things and then I also had so many So much immense love in my heart for this new little  being.

And you're just so confused. And that's what started me on this whole path. Just  as you're sharing this story, I just I feel your energy. I know we're far away, but I feel your energy across the screen. And it's it's bringing me back to those.

Those moments for me, where I was like postpartum and like  also had that same feeling of what the heck is going on? I feel like such a failure. But also it's like this dichotomy of motherhood, right? Like it's so hard and so beautiful at the same time. And I just need to share that because I could just feel the energy across the screen and yeah, it just made me feel like a little bit emotional too.

So that's, I can just very much resonate with that.  Thank you. That also just yeah, it validates that I'm not the only one out there feeling this and it really takes you by surprise with the first child, too, the second one is a whole different story, but I was, like, prepared, I was more mentally prepared that time around and I, part of, Just everything we're doing is and getting to why Wanderwild Family Retreats ended up being created is because of all of these feelings, right?

And I had birth trauma, but now I realize it as something that was  a part of my journey and a part of something I needed to experience, because if I hadn't experienced that, I wouldn't be doing this right now. We wouldn't be talking right now. The whole thing just completely shook me. If I had an easy birth, through my hypnobirthing, gone home, it would have been like, No big deal, but I didn't, it completely shook me.

And I walked around for months thinking, what the heck is going on? I'm so sleep deprived. Like I'm pumping, I'm breastfeeding I'm exhausted. I still don't have any milk to feed my baby. Like it was just this whole thing where I'm like, what is happening? This is crazy. And I was starting to search for somewhere where I could just. 

Not only just share these different emotions that I was experiencing, but also to really understand  how I had evolved moving into being a mother and how  my self journey, my self, discovery in this new chapter of life. And also I really wanted to connect with my daughter on a deeper level because when you go through birth trauma, it can take time to really like connect with your child too.

There's a weird dynamic there. And we have such a strong connection now. It's so just so beautiful. But it was like weird in the beginning because you're just yeah. You're also just trying to take care of yourself, too, and figure out how to take care of this new life.  And, when I went searching for somewhere where I wanted like that in person connection that was really like immersive, in not just like a women's group or mother's walking group or something, but something where it was like, really an intentional retreat space, like a retreat space where you could come and really do that work or start to do that work because that's somewhere that I'd always gone in the past when I was transitioning through different parts of life.

And when I was searching for things, I really Couldn't find anything. And I was like shocked. I'm like, what, how is there nothing for mothers and children? And my daughter was around maybe seven months old at the time.  And  like a lot of times I can't really  verbalize what happened next, but I just felt like this is what I'm meant to do. I'm meant to make this space. I can do it. I have a strong background and, putting teams together and building things from scratch. And like you said I'm have these, very like visionary big ideas and I can actually make them come to life. And I like have done that with my corporate career for a long time.

So I just knew that it was going to happen. I could do it. And I just in literally like. Three days between naptimes and breastfeeding, I wrote down like the entire business plan, like the branding, like the name, the catchphrases, like everything I had. And like within a month I was designing our website and everything was online by October of 2021.

And I was like trying to get people to join our community. And it just all happened so organically. Like it just felt like it was all meant to unfold. That way. Wow, I'm that's an insane story and I'm laughing too because  you're a manifester in human design. For those of you who don't know I'm a human design reader, but I love human design and  Yeah, I just feel like that was very manifester of you to just you had this creative urge and you just went into this kind of creative spin and just started your thing.

And that's amazing. And I also love just hearing how you can now take this experience that you had, this birth trauma, looking back, reflecting back. And at the time, probably something that was awful and difficult for you to go through, but now you can see this as part of your like bigger path and bigger journey.

It just like hearing things like that.  It just really makes me sit and reflect. And just like, when you're going through those harder moments, like just helps to anchor in that trust of maybe this is.  Part of something bigger. I just love hearing and seeing you reflect back on that.

I think that's. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So I just wanted to take a moment for that. Okay. So you created Wanderwild Family Retreats.  And now you've been running these incredible retreats, in the States and, helping all of these moms, connect with their children and have these really like mindful experiences, helping them like really immerse in nature.

That's, that sounds like it's all really rooted in, how you grew up.  So obviously that was a big inspiration for how the retreats look and feel. Yeah.  It was, yeah. And also just where my life has taken me now. Being in Norway, my husband and I always joke that we and we joke but like it's true like we manifested where we are like geographically we met in Kuwait and he's Saudi Arabian and when we met in 2011  we said we wanted to live somewhere where you could see the ocean And where we were surrounded by mountains and I literally said to him, I'm coming from the States.

I'm like, I don't really think there's anywhere like that where there's like these really high peak mountains, like right near the coast. There's not really that many places like that and places that we could work in the energy industry. And we never asked to move where we live right now. They moved us here and we ended up in Bergen, Norway.

I'm looking out of my window right now at the ocean. And seven peaks of mountains and we're always just yeah, it's like a pinch me moment every day when I wake up because we made it here. This is like our home and we feel like this is our home. And that also really, my children go to what they call here Barnehaga.

And Barnehaga is like a daycare or pre kindergarten. And they're completely outside in all weather conditions all day. My one and a half year old is hiking through the forest in a rain suit in the pouring rain, and they're picking raspberries and having a picnic in the forest. So that was also the inspiration is I love their Barna Haga.

I love like the whole, Experience of those first few years of life, like how they're teaching them to really like just connect with nature and like no matter the weather, no matter what's happening like that's what they go to. So that was also like a big inspiration for the child care portion of the retreat and just.

Yeah, you find your truest self in nature. It's where I feel most myself many times, right? That, that had to be a part of it.  Oh yeah, for me, hiking and being outside, that like,  whenever I'm going through a tough time, or I feel like I need to come home to myself that is where you will find me.

So I completely agree. And I love that you're instilling that in your children as well. But going back to Wanderwild. So again, I could say this so many times, but the more I get to know you, I just feel like you fit into this archetype of a big thinker,  a visionary, right? So you've had Wanderwild family retreats.

And so now where did you get this idea to now expand into Wand(HER)wild to create this new branch that we are partnering on together?  Yeah. Yeah. So Wand(HER)wild is really a space where  mothers can come to do deeper spiritual work and in a virtual space in community from anywhere. And  it came from  my throat chakra is not wanting me to it, it came from it came from a couple of things that happened. 

One is just listening to my soul, like listening to what comes up for me. And I get these like whispers, a lot of ideas and things, and then they become like louder and louder. And that one was something that kept coming up was like, we need to create a member space, like something virtually for people who, for mothers who maybe.

Can't afford our retreats right now or they can't travel like something that's accessible To everyone and also no matter where you are in the world that you could access this and just  the idea of it now like evolving into a deeper spiritual space where we're going into some topics of The unseen world around us and energetics, like that really intuitive mother space.

It's evolved from that initial, just, I want it to be some type of mom community to now it's really getting into this, like deeper rooted connection with yourself. And that all came to me earlier this year, similar, a couple of months before we connected in April, but in February of this year my daughter actually had a really difficult experience happen.

So in February she ended up in the ICU and she was like near death. She it's always like difficult for me to articulate this, but she. Just had a really bad cold. And one morning she woke up and said that she couldn't breathe well. She couldn't breathe at all. And then we went to, we called the doctor and they were like listening to her over the phone.

And I said, just you need to get here right away. And we found out that one of her lungs was completely full of fluid and she couldn't breathe. And by the time we got to the hospital, she was like, non responsive. And so she ends up in the ICU for,  I think it was like almost a week that she was asleep.

Like she wasn't awake. She was intubated with a a breathing apparatus to help like breathe for her. And I was just like totally I don't know. I went through so many emotions. I just was there like a rock for her. I couldn't speak with her. So I just was like  there. Like I knew she knew I was there  and just not knowing what's going to happen.

Like she's, she was three at the time, a little over three years old. And I think just not knowing what's gonna happen and like being around  also a lot of other families that are in the ICU that are going through similar experiences and it just connected me a lot more with this  understanding that like, life is finite and  like I need to really embrace. 

This human experience for everything that it is and that there's more work to be done than what we're doing at the retreats Like we're it's just the start and the beginning a lot of ways for a lot of women who come and it's and the retreats are like They're a fun space. Like we try to keep it light.

We do have women's circles and ceremonies that really get into a lot of deeper conversations. But because your child is there, like you don't want to crack yourself open, you want to still have a good time and like work on the connection between you and have just light hearted fun. So I see her, I see Wand(HER)wild as really being a space where  it's okay to cry, it's okay to grieve.

It's okay to let yourself. Be vulnerable, be everything that you want to be. Cause you're doing it in like a virtual space where  you do it in your own time. Like a lot of the things we're creating are somewhere you can consume them when you want to, like in your car, on a walk, when your kids are at school, when you have that space and time to really do it and go a lot deeper.

And this is just,  it's meant to really guide you. And Carolyn, I know we talk about this a lot, like we're on this journey too. Like we, we say we're guides in the community  because we're on this journey too. Like we don't have all the answers, but like we want to start the conversations. We want to give people the tools that are coming up for us.

Like the things we're creating to share that help move you through these really difficult Moments of life and ultimately support you to be the truest version of yourself, embody the mother that you feel good about showing up as, and that like you want to be for your child, right? It's all interconnected. 

I'm just like sitting with all of that. I feel like.  Yeah I can't imagine how difficult that experience must have been for you to just like witness  Mahira in that way. Like I,  I'm coming I come from a background as a pediatric registered nurse. And I did that before being a mother and then to be on, the other side of that, where you're the mother and you're looking after your kid in that situation.

Yeah, I just can't even begin to imagine how difficult that must have been for you to witness her like and to literally just surrender, right? Because  That is an experience where you are being asked to just like completely let go of control and  trust and yeah, I can only imagine the emotions that you  went through in those moments. 

That you're still probably processing now. But again, I'm just so happy that we can together take that experience and things that I've also gone through in my personal journey.  And like you said, just  start the conversation. With moms and bring tools  that are helping us along the way.

I just feel like  there's so much that can come up and unfold in this kind of deeper  spiritual work and space, like things that I didn't even realize were there, could come up.  And  these things are so important for mothers to talk about right because I think mothering in itself  it helps us see what's important In life and like really what we want to do with our life or that's how I feel about my motherhood experience.

It's who do I want to be for myself and for my kids and who can I  help them be and how can I help them be themselves too and to follow their dreams and their passions and I'm getting so deep here but this is really what Wand(HER)wild is about and what we're channeling into it. 

Absolutely, like I, and that's something like stepping into motherhood it was like, I now felt a responsibility to,  to share my ideas, to guide.  someone else other than myself. It's the small little soul that came into the world that you have a responsibility for. And  to have intentionality behind that, like to not just go through the motions, but really break the cycle of things that. We were conditioned to do that don't feel right now in this time in history. And there's so many moments growing up where you're like conditioned by pop culture or just the way that society is portraying your role as a female and  the way that you walk through life, the way that you should show up, the way that your voice is meant to come across in rooms and circles, like just all of that.

And it's breaking that cycle. Not just for, daughters, but sons, like everybody, it's just having this deeper understanding of life and  the intentionality of the impact we have on this, like next generation. It's so important. It's, and that's why I feel like what we're doing as a movement, it's a movement into the next generation and a way at really. 

A way of looking at life and  the connections, the community, the way that we all  interpret what we're here to do in like a whole new way, like just letting go of that kind of patriarchy way  that we've all been, that capitalistic way of doing things, and letting it all fall away and just being authentically us.  Yeah. I feel like that was so beautifully said. And yeah, I just want to echo one more time. I think that for us to help our children to do the work of being their truest, most authentic expression that we, as the mother, need to get really honest with ourselves and really start to do that deep inner work so that we can show up  as our truest, most authentic selves and really mirror that work for our children too.

Yeah, I feel that. And it's easier said than done. It's it's a journey.  It's definitely a journey.  It is a journey. I think it's like a road both you and I will probably be following for quite a long time. Want to end it there because I feel like you tied it all together so nicely.

But is there anything else that you feel called to share today about your story that we didn't touch on or that we missed? I think I feel good of how it ended because I know we have so much more to unpack and We'll get to your story next time. And this is just the beginning of our podcast, which is really exciting.

So there's tons of topics that you and I both want to explore and talk on and share and yeah, we'll leave it for another day to explore something new. I have so many ideas written down, and I know they're all going to be flowing out of us soon, so I'm really excited. But just to wrap it all up, if you guys feel inspired by Monica's story today, we would absolutely love if you share our podcast with another mama friend.

You can also check us out at wandherwild.com where we have quite a few free resources to help you inside, get started with this work, right? If this is speaking to your soul, we have a couple of free resources on our website to dive into this work more. And you can also follow us on Substack at WantHerWild, where it's more like written content, where we share written memoirs about these louder and softer moments of motherhood that we were diving into today as well.

So we would love to see you guys there as well. And we hope you have a beautiful day.

 Hey there, it's Monica. Hope you enjoyed this episode of Wand (HER)wild, the podcast. In our conversation today, I touched on how impactful both my birth experiences have been.  If this sparked your interest, I created a four part Email audio series all about the messages your birth experience brings  and the connection to your womb wisdom. We'll leave the link in the show notes. Hope to see you there. See you next time.

Lots of love and light,

Monica and Carolyn.